Predicting versus Forecasting

[Gerry]

Is there a difference between the two? Not really.

When used as nouns the two words are interchangeable.

Forecasting is a weasel word for candy asses who don't
have the balls to make a prediction and live with the results.
Forecasters create themselves a backdoor to slip away
when everything goes wrong and say:

Oh, I'm only forecasting

Then we get to TRUE forecasting. What the hell is that?

Is it something forecasters do before they find the balls
to make a prediction?

Speaking of balls, do CDEX and Lottoluk have the balls
to simply put up 34 goddamn numbers and play a little
game of sudden death without any conditions or other
miscellaneous bullshit?

We have 5 players in so far. The two of you can make it
7.

Talk is cheap

Bring it on boys. Double team me. After you dust me off
put your 34 numbers up here and show the world you
have some balls.

Gerry

[CDEX]

"Gerry" wrote:

Crap.

Post by Gerry
Speaking of balls, do CDEX and Lottoluk have the balls
to simply put up 34 goddamn numbers and play a little
game of sudden death without any conditions or other
miscellaneous bullshit?

Get off it.

I've told you too many times that I will gladly join a comprehensive trial
that is relevant to many games and many players. The offer stands. You've
seen it step-by-step. What action have you taken on it, besides cheapie
shots at the guy who proposed the test? Where have you offered any help or
suggestion?

State clearly what you think a "TRUE forecasting test" does.

State clearly how you think putting 34 numbers into one 6/49 game means
anything to a Florida 6/53 or 5/36 player, or to anybody else.

If you want numbers on balls, sure. 1 to 34. But don't think they prove
anything other than to someone who wants to play 34 numbers in one 6/49
game. And they have minimal value in that one game over time.

Look. gARY proposed it as a "TRUE forecasting test." Is it, or isn't
it?


Joe


P.S. Kindly don't imply that I and anyone else are a team. I respect
each and every person in this forum as an individual, including Lottoluk and
including you. They don't speak for me and I don't speak for them. I
agree or disagree with what they write according to what they write, post by
post. I am not on anybody's 'side' or against anybody's 'side'. I don't
recognize 'sides'. I don't consider you or any other user of your favorite
software as an associate of the software's author. We are all individual
people. I like to think we can come back to remembering that, after we
forget. Cut out the cheap shots, Gerry.

J.

- - - - - - - -

[Gerry]

Post by CDEX
Crap.

Post by Gerry
Speaking of balls, do CDEX and Lottoluk have the balls
to simply put up 34 goddamn numbers and play a little
game of sudden death without any conditions or other
miscellaneous bullshit?

Get off it.

Why don't you get off it with your incessant crap about these high
powered software challenges you have been wanting for years now
and nothing happens. Haven't you figured out yet it isn't going to
happen because you can'r get get the support. It has absolutely
nothing to do with me Joe. You simply haven't been able to
garner up the support.

Post by CDEX
I've told you too many times that I will gladly join a comprehensive trial
that is relevant to many games and many players. The offer stands.

You've

Post by CDEX
seen it step-by-step. What action have you taken on it, besides cheapie
shots at the guy who proposed the test? Where have you offered any help or
suggestion?

You will only glady join in a comprehensive trial if it is on YOUR terms.
That's arrogant Joe. Call it a cheap shot or whatever you want. It's still
arrogant. You hijacked John Dingley's challenge and now you are
trying to do the same thing with this one on YOUR terms.

Get off it Joe and let this newsgroup free wheel itself to wherever
it wants to go without your never ending attempts at micromanaging the NG
to a place where YOU want it to go.

Post by CDEX
State clearly what you think a "TRUE forecasting test" does.

I have no idea. They weren't my words. You read my words
on predict versus forecast. I'll stand on that. You can sit there and
worry your ass off on what TRUE forecast means with your
repetitive long winded articles.

Post by CDEX
State clearly how you think putting 34 numbers into one 6/49 game means
anything to a Florida 6/53 or 5/36 player, or to anybody else.

Stated clearly as I possibly can. It means something to gARY who made
the proposal and the six others who put 34 numbers up here to do
a sudden death playoff which didn't include YOU for whatever
reason.

Post by CDEX
If you want numbers on balls, sure. 1 to 34. But don't think they prove
anything other than to someone who wants to play 34 numbers in one 6/49
game. And they have minimal value in that one game over time.

Don't you think I know that ?

Post by CDEX
Look. gARY proposed it as a "TRUE forecasting test." Is it, or isn't
it?

Take your question to gARY. I didn't say the words. No offense to
gARY

Post by CDEX
Joe
P.S. Kindly don't imply that I and anyone else are a team. I respect
each and every person in this forum as an individual, including Lottoluk and
including you. They don't speak for me and I don't speak for them. I
agree or disagree with what they write according to what they write, post by
post. I am not on anybody's 'side' or against anybody's 'side'. I don't
recognize 'sides'. I don't consider you or any other user of your favorite
software as an associate of the software's author. We are all individual
people. I like to think we can come back to remembering that, after we
forget. Cut out the cheap shots, Gerry.

I will cut the cheap shots when:

1. None, repeat NONE of your customers make a statement that
Lottery Director is the best software around AND when challenged
I get a fluffy laundry list of features and you sit there and do nothing.

2. Once, just ONCE when a challenge or whatever you want to
call it comes along you will simply enter the damn thing no questions
asked, no comprehensive demands, or any other of your excuses...

under your own name ;-)

3. When you lighten up and stop trying to micromanage this newsgroup
to a place where Joe Roberts thinks it should go.

4. You stop taking everything so god damn personal.

Post by CDEX
J.

G.

Do you have 34 numbers in you for the newsgroup ?

[CDEX]

Gerry,

It's gone too far. Those comments are wacko. They're also dead wrong.
Come back.

Joe

[Gerry]

Post by CDEX
Gerry,
It's gone too far. Those comments are wacko. They're also dead wrong.
Come back.
Joe.

You're right Joe, It's gone too far. This newsgroup has been flooded
with this software author challenge for two months now. It's getting
old, it's getting stale, it's going nowhere. You think I've gone wacko.
Well, OK I think you have gone wacko also and probably getting
obsessive about the whole thing.

It seems very clear to me this newsgroup has no interest in
forming a SWAT team to go after these authors but you keep
pushing.

Why?

I don't think I'm so dead wrong Joe. I won't back down on what
I said about your refusal to enter challenges unless it's on your terms.
Every time a challenge surfaces you always try to manage it and
make up some rules. gARY proposed a very simple 34 number
challenge presumably for fun, at least that's what he said and you
took it over the top.

If gARY wants to have a 6/49 challenge why not. Just because
all locations don't have a 6/49 challenge people can still watch
and learn something.

If you want to see a 6/53 challenge why don't you host one. If
someone wants to have a 5/36 challenge then that person should
make a proposal.

I think you're asking too much with this comprenhensive lottery
software challenge when it seems to me at least the NG isn't
showing any interest.

You're always pushing the envelope trying to get this NG to
be bigger, better, faster, smarter etc. I understand all about
improving the product but can't you slow down a little and let
the NG move along at it's own comfortable pace?

You always try to go too far too fast. You're telling me to
come back. Same to you Joe, come back to the NG's comfort
zone and start over.

If I have offended you I will live with it.

Gerry

You still have 50 minutes to put up 34 numbers

[Gerry]

Post by Gerry
You still have 50 minutes to put up 34 numbers

Sorry about that. I was assuming if you want to play on
the UK Lottery.

[CDEX]

Post by Gerry

Post by Gerry
You still have 50 minutes to put up 34 numbers

Sorry about that. I was assuming if you want to play on
the UK Lottery.

1 to 34.

Joe

[CDEX]

Post by Gerry
You're right Joe, It's gone too far. This newsgroup has been flooded
with this software author challenge for two months now. It's getting
old, it's getting stale, it's going nowhere. You think I've gone wacko.
Well, OK I think you have gone wacko also and probably getting
obsessive about the whole thing.

No. Consistent.

Post by Gerry
It seems very clear to me this newsgroup has no interest in
forming a SWAT team to go after these authors but you keep
pushing.

I don't originate articles. I respond to articles.

I responded to John's offer to host a new challenge with one ...only one...
requirement on my part. Get any two of three other named software into the
challenge. That was it. No more.

One reader contacted one of those authors, and he accepted. You only needed
one more. Name one effort you made to contact anyone, besides berating me?

That was the only request I made. None other. There was not a single
request for modification to John's rules or format. I took it as-is.

Result?

... I got heat from one RGL poster for accepting a 20-line, 50-draw
challenge that's not sufficient to prove much about "prediction".

... I still get heat from you for "micromanaging" and "hijacking" John's
challenge (your words).

There's no exit from that logic.

The offer still stands. Get any two of the three biggies into the challenge
and I'm in. Not an unreasonable request.

And I don't request it for "myself", whatever that means to you. I request
it so that the challenge will be relevant and meaningful to the many, many
thousands of players who use those biggie software. You should note that a
signficant portion of those players bought the "prediction" hype and they
are the ones who should be considered in any worthwhile "prediction"
challenge.

I cannot see even one unreasonable request in any of the above. I can't see
any unreasonable statement I have made regarding John's challenge. Words
like "micromanaging" and "hijacking" are despicable.

Post by Gerry
If I have offended you I will live with it.
Gerry

Live a happy, long, and productive life. Life's too short to do otherwise.

Best to you,

Joe

[Paracelsus]

Post by Gerry
Is there a difference between the two? Not really.
When used as nouns the two words are interchangeable.

This is a distinction maintained especially by Nigel, and although Nick
(Lottoluk) attributed it to me I don't have a preference (as Nigel pointed
out). I'm just interested in the lottery numbers -- whether you call it
'prediction', 'forecasting' or 'astromancy' makes no difference to me.
Although this is a lottery group, not an English usage one, Nigel may be
technically correct, as this extract from Merriam-Webster shows:

"synonyms FORETELL, PREDICT, FORECAST, PROPHESY, PROGNOSTICATE mean to tell
beforehand. FORETELL applies to the telling of the coming of a future event
by any procedure or any source of information <seers foretold the calamity>.
PREDICT commonly implies inference from facts or accepted laws of nature
<astronomers predicted an eclipse>. FORECAST adds the implication of
anticipating eventualities and differs from PREDICT in being usually
concerned with probabilities rather than certainties <forecast snow>.
PROPHESY connotes inspired or mystic knowledge of the future especially as
the fulfilling of divine threats or promises <prophesying a new messiah>.
PROGNOSTICATE is used less often than the other words; it may suggest
learned or skilled interpretation, but more often it is simply a colorful
substitute for PREDICT or PROPHESY <prognosticating the future>."

[Nigel]

Post by Paracelsus

Post by Gerry
Is there a difference between the two? Not really.
When used as nouns the two words are interchangeable.

This is a distinction maintained especially by Nigel, and although Nick
(Lottoluk) attributed it to me I don't have a preference (as Nigel pointed
out). I'm just interested in the lottery numbers -- whether you call it
'prediction', 'forecasting' or 'astromancy' makes no difference to me.
Although this is a lottery group, not an English usage one, Nigel may be
"synonyms FORETELL, PREDICT, FORECAST, PROPHESY, PROGNOSTICATE mean to tell
beforehand. FORETELL applies to the telling of the coming of a future event
by any procedure or any source of information <seers foretold the calamity>.
PREDICT commonly implies inference from facts or accepted laws of nature
<astronomers predicted an eclipse>. FORECAST adds the implication of
anticipating eventualities and differs from PREDICT in being usually
concerned with probabilities rather than certainties <forecast snow>.
PROPHESY connotes inspired or mystic knowledge of the future especially as
the fulfilling of divine threats or promises <prophesying a new messiah>.
PROGNOSTICATE is used less often than the other words; it may suggest
learned or skilled interpretation, but more often it is simply a colorful
substitute for PREDICT or PROPHESY <prognosticating the future>."

Thanks, very interesting.

I didn't actually start the last 'forecasting'/'predicting' thread - I
think it was Nick, but I like to maintain a distinction between systems
which use or influence the physics of the balls (and astrology might
belong here - it's predictions of the moon's influence on the tides
turned out to be gravity) and methods that rely on statistical inferences.

I accept that most people use the terms interchangeably, and since the
difference is due to the interpretation of long dead languages, the
difference is likely to completely disappear over time. Besides,
'forecast' and 'predict' are both too long for txt spk.

Evil Nigel

[CDEX]

Nigel wrote:
...
:: I accept that most people use the terms interchangeably, and since
:: the difference is due to the interpretation of long dead languages,
:: the difference is likely to completely disappear over time.

Well said.


:: Besides, 'forecast' and 'predict' are both too long for
:: txt spk.

Laughing Out Loud at that.

Maybe we should boil them down to:

precast

... which connotes some kind of poured and hardened cement over here (in
U.K. also?).

As in: "Next Saturday's numbers are precast", meaning they're set in
cement, and they are solid, concrete picks. They're pre-hardened against
the anticipated wear and tear in an RGL prediction trial, wherein hardening
of picks is required because some folks will dance around them and others
will walk on them.

An alternative would be "foredict", but that might be misunderstood in
spoken dialogue as descriptive of someone who is multiply endowed.

I guess we'll go with your definitions, as they make most sense. Note, the
operative term there is "guess".

Cheers,

Joe

[Robert Perkis]

Post by CDEX
...
:: I accept that most people use the terms interchangeably, and since
:: the difference is due to the interpretation of long dead languages,
:: the difference is likely to completely disappear over time.
Well said.
:: Besides, 'forecast' and 'predict' are both too long for
:: txt spk.
Laughing Out Loud at that.
precast
... which connotes some kind of poured and hardened cement over here (in
U.K. also?).
As in: "Next Saturday's numbers are precast", meaning they're set in
cement, and they are solid, concrete picks. They're pre-hardened against
the anticipated wear and tear in an RGL prediction trial, wherein hardening
of picks is required because some folks will dance around them and others
will walk on them.
An alternative would be "foredict", but that might be misunderstood in
spoken dialogue as descriptive of someone who is multiply endowed.
I guess we'll go with your definitions, as they make most sense. Note, the
operative term there is "guess".
Cheers,
Joe

I like "Prediction" maybe it just needs a "Degree of
Confidence" figure following it. ;-) Robert Perkis

[Nigel]

I think the term should start with the prefix 'fore', so tht txtrs cn
shrtn it 2 '4'.

Evil Nigel

Post by Robert Perkis

Post by CDEX
...
:: I accept that most people use the terms interchangeably, and since
:: the difference is due to the interpretation of long dead languages,
:: the difference is likely to completely disappear over time.
Well said.
:: Besides, 'forecast' and 'predict' are both too long for
:: txt spk.
Laughing Out Loud at that.
precast
... which connotes some kind of poured and hardened cement over here (in
U.K. also?).
As in: "Next Saturday's numbers are precast", meaning they're set in
cement, and they are solid, concrete picks. They're pre-hardened against
the anticipated wear and tear in an RGL prediction trial, wherein hardening
of picks is required because some folks will dance around them and others
will walk on them.
An alternative would be "foredict", but that might be misunderstood in
spoken dialogue as descriptive of someone who is multiply endowed.
I guess we'll go with your definitions, as they make most sense. Note, the
operative term there is "guess".
Cheers,
Joe

I like "Prediction" maybe it just needs a "Degree of
Confidence" figure following it. ;-) Robert Perkis

[Nik Barker]

Post by Nigel
I think the term should start with the prefix 'fore', so tht txtrs cn
shrtn it 2 '4'.
Evil Nigel

...4C?

[John Griffin]

Post by Nik Barker

Post by Nigel
I think the term should start with the prefix 'fore', so
tht txtrs cn shrtn it 2 '4'.
Evil Nigel

...4C?

The correct term can be derived by combining a couple of common
expressions. A liar "speaks with forked tongue" and "is talking
out of his ass." Therefore, until someone thinks of something
even more lame, any claim of advance knowledge of lottery
numbers is "fork-assed."

[Gerry]

Post by Robert Perkis

Post by CDEX
...
:: I accept that most people use the terms interchangeably, and since
:: the difference is due to the interpretation of long dead languages,
:: the difference is likely to completely disappear over time.
Well said.
:: Besides, 'forecast' and 'predict' are both too long for
:: txt spk.
Laughing Out Loud at that.
precast
... which connotes some kind of poured and hardened cement over here (in
U.K. also?).
As in: "Next Saturday's numbers are precast", meaning they're set in
cement, and they are solid, concrete picks. They're pre-hardened against
the anticipated wear and tear in an RGL prediction trial, wherein hardening
of picks is required because some folks will dance around them and others
will walk on them.
An alternative would be "foredict", but that might be misunderstood in
spoken dialogue as descriptive of someone who is multiply endowed.
I guess we'll go with your definitions, as they make most sense. Note, the
operative term there is "guess".
Cheers,
Joe

I like "Prediction" maybe it just needs a "Degree of
Confidence" figure following it. ;-) Robert Perkis

Yeah, sort of like having the balls to make a prediction and live
with the results instead of leaving an escape hatch playing silly
assed word games.

[CDEX]

Post by Gerry
Yeah, sort of like having the balls to make a prediction and live
with the results instead of leaving an escape hatch playing silly
assed word games.

I could not have forecast that kind of response because I had hoped that
ill-tempered ones were already seen as losers, from whatever source they
come.

Joe Roberts

[CDEX]

Post by Gerry

Post by Robert Perkis
I like "Prediction" maybe it just needs a "Degree of
Confidence" figure following it. ;-) Robert Perkis

Yeah, sort of like having the balls to make a prediction and live
with the results instead of leaving an escape hatch playing silly
assed word games.

When you lay balls on the line to "make a prediction", what do you do with
your brain?

Same question, different words. If you make a prediction, what's the value
of that prediction one month later? To whom?

Toros have balls. Balls buy them nothing in the bullring. The bullring is
where some jerk is calling, "come on" and waving a big red banner
advertisement. El toro might counsel torito, "Son, you got balls but you
better be smarter than me." Or some such.

What's the purpose of your throwing your balls into a prediction trial,
unless that trial can do something substantial for players? You know, the
ones who bought some kakameme "prediction" system because some lottery
software quack messed with their brain?

Balls, yes. Brain, yes. Legitimate value of using both of them together,
yes. You owe an outcome from a prediction trial that serves both purposes,
balls and brain, to future lottery software purchasers.

You can make a pseudo-"prediction" trial whose purpose is purely to have
some fun. No problem. Call it what it is.

You can run it as a chatty gossip room where everybody jabs fingers at
everybody else. No problem. Just call it what it is.

... But don't potshot at someone who is not interested in it.

... Don't confuse it with a _real_ prediction trial, and suggest that
people who are not interested in it have no balls.

... And see if you can make a _real_ prediction trial. Plenty of
games, plenty of draws. Real measurement of "prediction" against normal
expectation. Of value to a lot of players. You get the picture.

... When you make that trial -- then you'll see who lacks the balls
for it. It's not anyone who is active in RGL.


Translation:

You're sniping at the wrong people, and for the wrong reason.

You know who the right people are. You know the reason they are such shifty
targets.

Address the hard targets for a change. Instead of sniping at the easy ones.


Joe

[Gerry]

Post by CDEX
You know who the right people are. You know the reason they are such shifty
targets.
Address the hard targets for a change. Instead of sniping at the easy ones.
Joe

Sorry Joe but I'm not interested in doing your job and catching
the bad guys for you. Are we going to go through this again?

If you want to catch the bad guys you will have to do it without
my help. You will have to find someone else to snipe at them
for you.

[CDEX]

Post by Gerry

Post by Gerry

Post by Robert Perkis
I like "Prediction" maybe it just needs a
"Degree of Confidence" figure following it.
;-) Robert Perkis

Yeah, sort of like having the balls to make
a prediction and live with the results instead
of leaving an escape hatch playing silly assed
word games.

Post by Robert Perkis
You can make a pseudo-"prediction" trial
whose purpose is purely to have some fun.
No problem. Call it what it is.
...
... But don't potshot at someone who is
not interested in it.
... Don't confuse it with a _real_ prediction
trial, and suggest that people who are not interested
in it have no balls.
... And see if you can make a _real_ prediction
trial. Plenty of games, plenty of draws. Real measurement
of "prediction" against normal expectation. Of value to a lot
of players. You get the picture.
... When you make that trial -- then you'll see who lacks
the balls for it. It's not anyone who is active in RGL.

Sorry Joe but I'm not interested in doing your job
and catching the bad guys for you. Are we going to
go through this again?
If you want to catch the bad guys you will have
to do it without my help. You will have to find
someone else to snipe at them for you.

OK, Gerry. Translation.

Post by Gerry

Post by Gerry
Yeah, sort of like having the balls to make
a prediction and live with the results instead
of leaving an escape hatch playing silly assed
word games.

The only people playing (quote) "silly assed word games" with this subject
of "Predicting versus Forecasting" are:

In order of posting:

Paracelsus
Nigel
CDEX
Robert Perkis
Nik Barker
John Griffin.

There is no "escape hatch" in use there.

Again. Repeated for you below. Don't take a cheap shot at it.

(1) Run a "fun" exercise in picking numbers, fine. Including one that's
of zero value to future players. But don't call it something it is not.
And don't insinuate that anyone has zero balls if he is not interested in
it.

(2) Run a *real* challenge in picking numbers. Design it yourself.
You won't get accused of micromanaging the newsgroup, at least not from
here. Do the hard work to make a prediction test, before you start talking
about people. But be sure you make it applicable and helpful to players. A
lot of games, a lot of draws. You know the drill.

Announce it. You bet I will be in it, among the first to do so. I think
you'll find a lot of other people will be in it, also.

It isn't ivory tower bullshit. There are only two fundamental kinds of
prediction tests. (1) Ones that run in a playground at funtime, and (2)
ones that prove that lottery prediction works or does not work for a
significant population of players.

Either one has its place. No problem there.

Just don't confuse the two. And don't insinuate that somebody's low
interest in the easy one has anything to with courage. When you design the
tough challenge you'll see where the cowards are.

Such potshots at easy targets like the one quoted from you above, look like
the _real_ escape hatch.

Let's get this place back on track.

Joe Roberts
CDEX

[CDEX]

Gerry,

Why not make your next message the last one on this subject? I think the
points have already been covered.

Post whatever you like. I won't respond unless there's a question.

Joe Roberts
CDEX

[Ion Saliu]

Post by CDEX
OK, Gerry. Translation.
The only people playing (quote) "silly assed word games" with this subject

“Karaklonchah (aka Paracelsus)
Doollow (aka Nigel)
Kokostirk (aka Joe Roberts CDEX)
Kotkoduck (aka Robert Perkis)
Kulai (aka Nik Barker)
Psychosama (aka John Griffin).“
"... hatch" ...

Post by CDEX
Joe Roberts
CDEX

Kokostirk, axiomatic colleague of mine:

As you can see in a thread in this very newsgroup, the likes of Kotkoduck, Karaklonchah et al. believe them lottery balls have special powers. Especially numbers in a perceived “divine category” have super powers. Numbers like the golden/divine number PHI, PI, e can choose to show up at will: Much more often than the rest of the numbers.

The believers in that group also practice a ritual they call ‘Hatching the golden eggs’. Say, Kotkoduck gathers white pebbles and inscribes them with lottery numbers. Kotkoduck also built a large stork-type nest in his home. He hatches the “eggs” (pebbles) the night before the lottery drawing. Finally, he chooses “eggs” based on their temperature. Sometimes Kotkoduck plays only hot numbers; other times, cold “eggs” only. Now, that’s prediction at its pinnacle.

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/rec.gambling.lottery/07gM1VnVvFM/V1cURldOBAAJ;context-place=msg/rec.gambling.lottery/ZKhb6br-Ubc/YbzmI2gVc9MJ
(PI and the Lottery: Re: Do Lottery Balls Know Mathematics?)

Parpaluck (aka Ion Saliu),
Founder of Lottery-Prediction Mathematics
http://saliu.com/gambling-lottery-lotto/prediction-science.htm

[Ion Saliu]

Post by Ion Saliu

Post by CDEX
OK, Gerry. Translation.
The only people playing (quote) "silly assed word games" with this subject

“Karaklonchah (aka Paracelsus)
Doollow (aka Nigel)
Kokostirk (aka Joe Roberts CDEX)
Kotkoduck (aka Robert Perkis)
Kulai (aka Nik Barker)
Psychosama (aka John Griffin).“

Kokostirk, Kotkoduck, Krokodick, Shkitser (aka Sharkeys) et al.:

You once had one tough requirement to prove ‘predictability’ or ‘forecasting’ or ‘successful lottery system’. The condition was: ‘Beat random by 3 standard deviations’. That’s easy, paleontological founders of this community. You can read in a very recent in this very newsgroup:

https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/rec.gambling.lottery/jsjtCP6Pszc
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[Ion Saliu]

On Monday, January 29, 2018 at 6:23:24 PM UTC-5, Ion Saliu wrote:
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Post by Ion Saliu
The believers in that group also practice a ritual they call ‘Hatching the golden eggs’. Say, Kotkoduck gathers white pebbles and inscribes them with lottery numbers. Kotkoduck also built a large stork-type nest in his home. He hatches the “eggs” (pebbles) the night before the lottery drawing. Finally, he chooses “eggs” based on their temperature. Sometimes Kotkoduck plays only hot numbers; other times, cold “eggs” only. Now, that’s prediction at its pinnacle.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/rec.gambling.lottery/07gM1VnVvFM/V1cURldOBAAJ;context-place=msg/rec.gambling.lottery/ZKhb6br-Ubc/YbzmI2gVc9MJ
(PI and the Lottery: Re: Do Lottery Balls Know Mathematics?)

Parpaluck (aka Ion Saliu),
Founder of Lottery-Prediction Mathematics
https://saliu.com/gambling-lottery-lotto/prediction-science.htm

[Ion Saliu]

Post by Ion Saliu

OK, Gerry. Translation.
The only people playing (quote) "silly assed word games" with this subject

“Karaklonchah (aka Paracelsus)
Doollow (aka Nigel)
Kokostirk (aka Joe Roberts CDEX)
Kotkoduck (aka Robert Perkis)
Kulai (aka Nik Barker)
Psychosama (aka John Griffin).“
"... hatch" ...

Joe Roberts
CDEX

As you can see in a thread in this very newsgroup, the likes of Kotkoduck, Karaklonchah et al. believe them lottery balls have special powers. Especially numbers in a perceived “divine category” have super powers. Numbers like the golden/divine number PHI, PI, e can choose to show up at will: Much more often than the rest of the numbers.
The believers in that group also practice a ritual they call ‘Hatching the golden eggs’. Say, Kotkoduck gathers white pebbles and inscribes them with lottery numbers. Kotkoduck also built a large stork-type nest in his home. He hatches the “eggs” (pebbles) the night before the lottery drawing. Finally, he chooses “eggs” based on their temperature. Sometimes Kotkoduck plays only hot numbers; other times, cold “eggs” only. Now, that’s prediction at its pinnacle.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/rec.gambling.lottery/07gM1VnVvFM/V1cURldOBAAJ;context-place=msg/rec.gambling.lottery/ZKhb6br-Ubc/YbzmI2gVc9MJ
(PI and the Lottery: Re: Do Lottery Balls Know Mathematics?)
Parpaluck (aka Ion Saliu),
Founder of Lottery-Prediction Mathematics
http://saliu.com/gambling-lottery-lotto/prediction-science.htm

Ultra Axiomatics:

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[CDEX]

Just for your perspective, Gerry.

This is your original message which started this "Predicting versus
Forecasting" topic on 9 January.

Post by Gerry
Speaking of balls, do CDEX and Lottoluk have
the balls to simply put up 34 goddamn numbers
and play a little game of sudden death without
any conditions or other miscellaneous bullshit?
...
Talk is cheap
Bring it on boys. Double team me. After you
dust me off put your 34 numbers up here
and show the world you have some balls.

That was your message which started the topic. Everything in this thread
has been a reply.

Politely. I have no interest in "34 goddamn numbers" that will do nothing
for players one week from now. One can ask for something better in a
prediction test and still have balls.

Lay off the cheap shots, and focus on getting up some real kind of
prediction test. You decide what it ought to do, or drop the subject.

Either way, talk about the test itself. See if you can make it positive
and worthwhile for somebody to get into, instead of taunting and goading
them into it.

Joe Roberts
CDEX

[Nigel]

Post by Gerry
Yeah, sort of like having the balls to make a prediction and live
with the results instead of leaving an escape hatch playing silly
assed word games.

To simultaneously have the opinion that it takes balls to make a
prediction and also have the opinion that prediction cannot work seems
rather unusual.

Do you personally play the lottery, and if so, how do you choose your
numbers?

Evil Nigel

[gARY]

Post by Gerry
Is there a difference between the two? Not really.

?

Predicting begins P and the other has 11 letters ya know.

BTW, how did **we** do in that test thingie?

;)
gARY

Post by Gerry
Bring it on boys. Double team me. After you dust me off
put your 34 numbers up here and show the world you
have some balls.
Gerry

[Ion Saliu]

This 'Lottery: Predicting, Forecasting' matter is too important to get lost. It is included now in the r.g.l. table of worthy contents:

• All-Matters Lottery, Lotto: Strategies, Systems, Software
• https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/rec.gambling.lottery/OR5o1HDcy-U

[Ion Saliu]

Post by Ion Saliu
• All-Matters Lottery, Lotto: Strategies, Systems, Software
• https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/rec.gambling.lottery/OR5o1HDcy-U

You can get lost easily in public forums like this Usenet group. THERE ARE WAY TOO MANY POSTS!!! The overwhelming proportion of such “scribbles” are nothing more or above garbage, nonsense, one-liner bullshitting, fights, controversies… or a few cryptic numbers meant to “beat” the lottery!

To solve the problem, I created a thread referring to the most relevant articles, materials, debates, systems, fights, etc. I keep it updated and make sure it shows at the top of this Google group:

• https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!topic/rec.gambling.lottery/TztssQOdv9M
• The Best RGL Posts, Contents: Lottery, Strategies, Systems, Software.

Ion Saliu (royalty-name: Parpaluck),
Founder of Lottery Mathematics
Founder of Lotto Programming Science

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